Making a 32" F/4 (2.1"-thick) BVC Mirror

I have been talking about this project now since late 2005/early 2006, so I know many are interested to read this page for a variety of reasons.  Glad I can finally write it.  It is May 11, 2006, as I type here, and the mirror was finished yesterday.  What follows is a summary of the process, and a summary of what I learned about BVC, a material that has been somewhat controversial in ATM circles in the past..

To start work, I first cast a 24" Hydrostone tool with imbedded 1" square porcelain tiles.  45 lbs. of Hydrostone were required.  Coverage of tiles was approximately 50% of the surface area.  To cast the disk, a circular hole was cut in a piece of plywood and placed on top of the mirror blank.  The hole was lined with plastic, and then a dam of aluminum flashing was inserted to form the walls of the mold/form.  I used masking tape to seal the plastic to the flashing.  The tiles were glued to the plastic with super glue, and the plaster carefully poured on top.  The form is shown below.

Mold/form for 24" plaster tool

Below is a photo of the finished tool.  Using my 4" grinder and a diamond blade, I ground out the channels a bit to allow water and slurry to circulate, and to help reduce the vacuum effect of a tool and mirror in close contact.  While the tool was curing, I used my infrared thermometer to measure its temperature.  Seemed like it was warmer than the reading - it was actually steaming, as seen in the third photo!  (By the way, that meter is very useful for figuring out if your mirror is about to dew up - it also calculates relative humidity and dew points.)

24" Hydrostone tool Tool temp during cooling
Tool steaming!

I started grinding with 220 grit to remove the numerous deep scratches that the previous worker left on the surface.  An hour of grinding with the 24" tool on the machine was sufficient to both establish complete contact with the tool and to remove the scratches.  I proceeded through 320 grit, 25 micron, 12 micron, and 5 micron grit to complete grinding.  I found that excessive turntable speed with 5 micron caused scratches, so I went back to 9u and finished with that size grit.  With a larger mirror it's best to fine grind slowly with the smaller grits.  I never had this problem with my smaller machine, but because this mirror is larger there is a larger speed difference between the tool and mirror at the edge of the mirror (simply due to larger size), and this extra speed can cause scratching.

I found the BVC glass to grind quickly (faster than Pyrex) and without any scratching provided the speed was kept down in the smallest grits.

Polishing was done with a 22" pitch lap, poured on a plaster tool that I already had leftover from making our 30" F/3.8 mirror.  From a nice 9 micron grind, polishing was completed in 18 hours, including a bit of adjustment to find a neutral polishing position for the arm.  I had at most 20 lbs of weight on the pin for polishing.  More could have been used, but for a blank with a 16:1 diameter:thickness ratio, I believed that to be unwise.  I was also not using very high speeds, maybe 20 RPM for the rough polishing.  I slowed it a bit and diluted the mixture for the last bit of polishing, where I was trying to get the figure closer to a sphere.  At the end of polishing I had a good edge and a generally spherical figure and a hole in the center.  Here's a photo of polishing in progress.

Polishing with 22" tool

Testing was accomplished with a tilting test stand on wheels that could be rolled right up to the grinding machine turntable.  The test stand was made by Bob Holmes from, and consists mostly of welded 1.5" square steel tubing left over from the scope construction.  The blank is slid off the carpeted turntable onto the carpeted test stand.  The top of the test stand is lined with shag carpet to make the sliding of the mirror easier, and to support the back of the mirror when it is tilted into testing position.  The transfer of the mirror to the cart is shown below.  First the front of the drip pan is folded down, and then the cart is positioned and the transfer made.

Mirror on turntable, ready for transfer Mirror now on test stand/cart

Next, a piece of wood is installed to prevent the mirror from falling forward.  Finally, the stand is rolled to the test location, a pin is removed, and the mirror and the top of the stand are tilted to nearly vertical for testing.  A couple of views of the mirror on the test stand in testing position are shown below.  As can be seen in the second photo, the mirror is tilted back about 2", a few degrees.

Test stand and mirror Mirror on test stand, another angle

Compared to a hard surface, which never supports the back of the 2.1"-thick mirror evenly (and thus causes strange Foucault shadows), the carpet does an excellent job of supporting the back and bottom of the mirror at this shallow angle.  Distortion from mirror folding and irregular back support vanishes in the Foucault test, and reading the shadows is no different than on smaller, thicker mirrors.  A threaded rod and knob make tilt adjustments simple, aiding in the speedy setup for testing.  I could tilt and line up the mirror in about two minutes.

Figuring was mainly done with the aid of the machine to save my arms, using a 16" pitch lap.  I found that the BVC blank also gained correction faster than Pyrex, and once I found the right machine settings I was able to whip the figure into shape fairly quickly.  My technique was to approximate as best I could my particular flavor of the subdiameter lap method of figuring, as described by Texereau.  Towards the end of figuring I used a 4.25" pitch lap to work on a few high regions, and only a few turns around the mirror were required to cure them.

The only problem that I had was minor.  When I switched to a figuring compound (Hastalite R-polish) to slow the speed of figuring, I got some sleeks.  This happened twice, so I am fairly sure it was due to the figuring compound.  Switching back to my normal Cerox 1670, I found no sleeking problems.  Since I've never had problems with sleeks or scratches on any of the other 40 mirrors I have made and since I am very careful in my optical work to avoid dust, contamination, etc., I think that the Hastalite and the BVC simply didn't work well together.  It is also possible that clumps of the Hastalite formed and caused the sleeks.

Let me point out that until I used the Hastalite, I had a PERFECT, scratch-free surface.  So, I personally didn't find BVC more susceptible to scratches, contrary to what some others have concluded.  I believe that if I had used the Cerox 1670 exclusively, I would have had no sleeks.  In any event, they will have no effect on the images formed by the scope.

I will also say here that the black BVC surface is COMPLETELY unforgiving when it comes to pits, sleeks, and other surface imperfections because they stick out like a sore thumb!  This makes grinding and testing for polish easier, but you ego can be damaged by the slightest sleek that might go completely unnoticed if it was on a Pyrex surface.

According to my Foucault testing results, the final figure had an error of 1/7th wave on the wavefront, with a good edge (see diffraction ring in photo below, though weakened by resizing the photo).  Normally I'd shoot for 1/10th wave or better on the wavefront, but some time constraints beyond my control related to getting the scope operational required me to use some different methods than I normally would, and I had to stop there.  Still, I am quite pleased with the final figure and the general form of the mirror.  An image of the mirror under test is included below, though it does not do the smoothness and beauty of the shadows justice, in my opinion.

Foucault image of 32" F/4

The weak, dark vertical artifacts are due to diffraction of the knife edge, or some related phenomena - they are not on the mirror.  The irregular outline of the mirror at the top (which is actually at the bottom in this reversed image) is due to the safety clips and the shag carpet on which the bottom of the mirror rests.  The bright artifact in the dark central region is a stray reflection.

Note the smoothness of the figure, and the vertical symmetry of the Foucault shadows.  This mirror showed excellent smoothness and a lack of zones, looking like a textbook conic section on the test stand.  In short, I thought it looked like the surface I expect to see when I work on a Pyrex mirror.  I have actually had more problems with surface roughness on plate glass mirrors than on Pyrex mirrors or this BVC mirror.

There have been reports from others that BVC was difficult to keep smooth and that it reacted strangely to figuring.  However, I could not detect any surface texture at all visually, nor did I have problems with surface roughness.  In fact, I found one benefit when testing BVC - within 5-10 minutes of the conclusion of figuring, the boiling air currents that I am used to see rising off of Pyrex were completly absent.  The figure did change as it cooled, in a manner similar to Pyrex (overcorrection during cooling), but the surface could be observed in great detail very quickly after it was worked.  This implies that a cooling BVC mirror might have a "weaker" boundary layer than a Pyrex mirror.

In conclusion, I found the following concerning grinding, polishing, and figuring a large, fast BVC mirror:

1)  I found no evidence to support the assertion that BVC is more prone to scratching than Pyrex during grinding and polishing, but
2)  I had problems with sleeks with my fine figuring compound, though I have never had problems with it when used on Pyrex.
3)  I found BVC to grind faster than Pyrex, and
4)  I had no problems with surface roughness when figuring BVC.
5)  The black background provided by BVC makes pits, etc., very easy to spot.

I started work on the mirror on May 14th and finished on June 10th.  (In contrast the previous optician had it for well over a year.)  For a view of the mirror's horrific astigmatism before I worked on it, see my Foucault Hall of Shame page and scroll down until you see the composite image of the mirror at various rotations.

During that period of time, lots of my free time (evenings, weekends) was spent working on the mirror.  I learned to work easily with a larger blank, and I also got to try my hand at machine figuring.  I thoroughly enjoyed the process, and the outcome is very gratifying - my friend Bob now has an excellent primary mirror to use for the research he loves to do.  I'm just glad I could help.

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